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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2025 9:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
(SEE PREVIOUS POST/LINK)

Here is the other ex-Newark car (#27) running on the "Shaker"........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?90634

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2025 8:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Note the full body skirting on these "Shaker" PCCs, easily recalling Chicago's iconic "Green Hornets"..........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?21605

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?21846

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2025 3:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
The former Newark cars look as good or better on the Shaker than their cars did! The Newark cars looked exceptional from the beginning until their untimely end.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2025 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Cyberider wrote:
The former Newark cars look as good or better on the Shaker than their cars did! The Newark cars looked exceptional from the beginning until their untimely end.


Cyberider:

Remember, the Newark cars were all stored underground; there were no outdoor storage yards; also, then-City Subway Manager Bob Kittler (whom I knew personally) was VERY STRICT when it came to the upkeep and cleaning of his cars; he truly treated them as though they were his family! Very Happy

Then, also, PS had ALWAYS been pretty well-known for its high maintenence standards! Wink

Also, did you notice the skirting on some of the "Shaker" PCCs?

Right off the bat, I was thinking of the CTA's famed "Green Hornets"! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2025 4:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Interesting about Bob Kittler!

As for the skirting, we can include PE too.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2025 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Cyberider wrote:
Interesting about Bob Kittler!

As for the skirting, we can include PE too.


Cryberider:

I believe that Mr. Kittler passed away sometime in the late 1980s or early 1990s; through him, I was fortunate enough to meet a number of old-time PS trolley men, who REALLY knew their stuff! Very Happy

The "shop crew" at the miniscule Penn Station shops were indeed dedicated mechanics and electricians, and were also "stand-up comedian wannabees"; this group REALLY could combine both work and a good level of "entertainment"! Very Happy

Mr. Kittler saw to it that the cars were hosed down (AND cleaned out!) EVERY WEEKDAY!!!!! Shocked (imagine this being done today?) Rolling Eyes

VERY fortunate to have all of these great "insider" memories, now over 50 years ago! Wink

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2025 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sounds like a great place to hang out back in the day when that kind of thing was possible.
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2025 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Cyberider wrote:
Sounds like a great place to hang out back in the day when that kind of thing was possible.


Cyberider:

You know it! Wink

Sadly, all good things must come to an end. Sad

One day I went down to the shops for one of my usual visits; a RUDE AWAKING awaited me......Mr. Kittler was out on medical leave, and his replacement could have been Tony Soprano's clone.

\He was VERY oboxious and snotty, and made it clear that he had NO inclination to allow me (or any other railfan) to visit, no matter how well-behaved.

The shop guys clealy did not like this new guy, and I know they wished that they could have protested on my part.

Alas, I had to take my leave; this obnoxious character left me with such a strong feeling of resentment, that it was SEVERAL YEARS before I returned, simply to take a ride out to Franklin Avenue, and then return to Penn Station, and my PATH tube connection for Journal Square.

Well, at least, I STILL have many wonderful memories of visiting the shops, exploring the old subway-surface ramps, and being given tours of stored work cars (as well as some now-rare souveniers, given to me by a couple of the shop guys!)

For that, I will be forever grateful! Very Happy

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2025 9:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Great story, NYO. Thanks!
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2025 12:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Cyberider:

My pleasure! Wink

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2025 9:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
In this 1995 photo at Penn Station, we see PCC #1 laying over between rush hours.

The wall behind the car marks the location of the small, two-track repair facility that had been in use since rail access to the ROSEVILLE car house was severed in 1953.

Today, the shop area no longer exists, as a new LRV repair/storage facility is in use, near the location of the former Franklin Avenue loop.

So much has changed..........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?19041

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2025 9:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
In this 2001 photo, the cinderblocks in back of this PCC at Penn Station were the wall of the old (now demolished) two-track shop area.

The former shop was built over two tracks once used by subway-surface cars.......

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?54048

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2025 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
In this 2007 view, the open area we are looking at was once occupied by the former two-track shop area at Penn Station...........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?78101

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2025 1:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
This historic sign at the mezzanine level dates back to when the City Subway was extended one stop from Broad Street to Penn Station (1937); it dates to the time when, long, long ago, you could board as subway-surface car at Penn and ride out to the suburbs, via several lines.

How well I remember this beautiful relic of another era, from my much younger days.........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?54051

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 29, 2025 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks for the info and photos of where the shop facility once was. (All without having to have one of the hideous new LRV's in the photo!)

The old City Subway sign on the tile wall was apparently still extant in 2006. Is it gone now?
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