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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2025 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cyberider wrote:
Definitely like the Cleveland and Shaker Heights cars. Even have a few photos my Dad took of them in Cleveland. Shaker got their cars from Cleveland.


Cyberider:

Center-entrance cars would have seemed an excellent choice for the City Subway ditto, articulated units, especially given the heavy rush-hour crowds generated

Baltimore's "UNITED", in the mid-1920s, rebuilt a number of older, obsolete semi-convertible and open cars into articulated units; these huge articulateds were used on the heaviest lines (aspecially, later on, on lines that heavy wartime ridership)

These unique cars were retired after the War, circa-1947.........

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2025 2:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Further:

Baltimore's "UNITED"/"BTC" "kitbashed" articulateds came in two varieties:

The "8100s" were rebuilt from semi-convertible cars; the "8500s" were rebuilt from older open cars.........

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2025 2:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cleveland also operated articulated cars for a number of yeas; these were the formidable "5000" Series units.

On the NewDavesRailpix site, on the Cleveland page, there is a link to na photo gallery showcasing the "5000s" (tried to link the page, but, for some reason, it would not hotlink) Sad

As can be seen from those photos, though, you can see that these cars were HUGE..............

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2025 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In 1925, "CHICAGO SURFACE LINES" put into service a lone experimental articulated unit, #4000.

Like the articulated units in Baltimore, this car was built using the bodies and components of two older cars.

The car, with seating for 91, went into service on Cicero to serve the Western Electric plant during rush hours.

This unique (and handsome) car was scrapped in 1937,......

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2025 8:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also..............

Recall that the ungainly "Two Rooms" (retired by early 1920s) units were the only articulated cars to run in Boston until the Boeing LRVs arrived in the mid-1970s.

Interestingly enough, through the 1970s, Budapest operated a large fleet of fearsome-looking (prewar) double-truck "Two Rooms" units...........

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2025 8:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

These sleek, articulated 1960s-era trams in Vienna clearly were PCC-inspired......... Wink

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?9015

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?8930

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?8955

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2025 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It certainly can be argued that the "KEY SYSTEM's" modern, smart-looking "Bridge Units" were indeed the ancestor of the modern-day, articulated LRV.........

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?16124

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?16125

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 03, 2025 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Earlier, I'd mentioned trailers........

The last city in North America to operate trailers was Toronto; the trailers were hauled by the very last "Peter Witts" in operation anywhere in North America.

Many cities once had trailer operations; after trailer operations ended in Brooklyn in the early 20s, they later were converted into one0man motor cars.

Interestingly, the very last trailers in Baltimore were identical to Boston's iconic center-entrance cars (built by BRILL)..........

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2025 12:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also.........

It is interesting to note that the BERy's center-entrance trailers PRE-DATED the MOTOR cars by several years; the motor cars, in fact, were but motorized versions of the earlier trailers, which were built by three builders:

BRILL

LACONIA

KUHLMAN

Oddly enough, the center-entrance trailers were never hauled by their motorized brothers; they were hauled exclusively by Type "4s".

Scrapping of the trailers began in 1936; by the time trailer operation ended in 1943, only 12 remained on the BERy roster...........

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2025 1:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PSNJ trailer operation.........

These trailers featured the more-modern "turtleback" roof (like the one-man open cars)

One of PS's many interesting historical "quirks" is that the company did not BEGIN trailer operations until the 1920s; as I had noted earlier, by 1935, trailer operation ended, and the car bodies were re-purposed as waiting shelters.

Trailers only operated on the ESSEX Division (during rush hours) on the busiest Newark lines (to date, I've only seen TWO photos of PS trailers in operation)

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2025 1:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PE also had some trailers. They were referred to as "sleds." I don't know whether this term was used elsewhere or not.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2025 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cyberider wrote:
PE also had some trailers. They were referred to as "sleds." I don't know whether this term was used elsewhere or not.


Cyberider:

Trailers do not usually come to mind when you delve into "Red Car" history! Wink

In Boston (as you know) the center-entrance trailers only operated with "Type 4s"; they never ran in any of the trolley subways.

Early photos taken of the center-entrance motor cars in Boston (and there are but few photos) shows some cars with slat-liike "baffling" surrounding the trucks; this was an attempt to reduce excessive screeching on tight curves.

Needless to say, this experiment did not last long........

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2025 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PE's "Long Beach Twelves" included a number of trailers. The 1200's were amply powered and could handle them without slowing things down significantly.

Quick online research didn't give me any results but I believe a few of the earlier wood 800-class were also trailers as well as a few of the "blimps." Without doing some book research, I'm not sure whether they actually ran any of the blimps as trailers.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2025 7:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cyberider wrote:
PE's "Long Beach Twelves" included a number of trailers. The 1200's were amply powered and could handle them without slowing things down significantly.

Quick online research didn't give me any results but I believe a few of the earlier wood 800-class were also trailers as well as a few of the "blimps." Without doing some book research, I'm not sure whether they actually ran any of the blimps as trailers.


Cyberider:

Interesting info; thanks for sharing! Wink

In New York, both the IRT and BTM (subway and elevated) operated (prewar) trailers.

The IND, on the other hand (first section opened in 1932) utilized only motor cars.

The SIRT also rostered trailers.

The H&M (PATH) operated only motor cars.

Of course, In Europe, until fairly recent times, tramway trailers were quite commonplace; in a few German cities, there were alsp trolleybus systems that utilized trailers........

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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2025 1:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I had mentioned earlier here, the B&QT converted a number of obsolete trailers into one-man motor cars.

A new front door was installed opposite the motorman, and the center doors on the offside were sealed, and seating installed over the plated-over stepwell.

These unusual cars ran until the later 1940s.............

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?117695

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?31215

https://www.nycsubway.org/perl/show?40003

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