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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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 Posted: Mon Oct 13, 2025 9:47 am Post subject: |
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W.B.:
Which, back in 1933, would have been TARS and NY Railways......
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 8:45 am Post subject: |
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Interesting......
When "NYO" buses replaced the last NY Railways streetcars, they obviously followed "Fak-ko's" example by purchasing new YELLOWS.
It is also interesting to note, that, when 'NYO began operations, it started with seven different loots of 718s.
Then, in 1940, when the company purchased the Triangle Bus Company, the purchase included 9 MACK "CWs" and 11 used INDIANA coaches; interestingly, "NYO" never operated any of these second-hand buses, continuing to operate only the YELLOW 718s.
Interesting, also, that "NYO" then dominated Manhattan bus routes, with the prestigious "Fak-ko" in second place........
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 11:56 am Post subject: |
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| NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | Interesting......
When "NYO" buses replaced the last NY Railways streetcars, they obviously followed "Fak-ko's" example by purchasing new YELLOWS.
It is also interesting to note, that, when 'NYO began operations, it started with seven different loots of 718s.
Then, in 1940, when the company purchased the Triangle Bus Company, the purchase included 9 MACK "CWs" and 11 used INDIANA coaches; interestingly, "NYO" never operated any of these second-hand buses, continuing to operate only the YELLOW 718s.
Interesting, also, that "NYO" then dominated Manhattan bus routes, with the prestigious "Fak-ko" in second place........
"NYO"
Source: "NEW YORK CITY TRANSIT BUSES" (Martin) |
And, both "Fak-ko" and "Nye-ko" were owned by the same entity - Omnibus Corp. of "Shik-aga," thus sisters to CMCCo in the "Windy City."
"Nye-ko" had, up to 1940, not only the 718's but also 728's, 731's and 740's (the last-numbered later rebuilt on their front to resemble the "Kramdens").
It was noted that "Nye-ko's" maintenance practices were considered in-between to the "prestigious" "Fak-ko" and the decrepit (especially after entering into bankruptcy protection in 1949) "Soiface." |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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W.B.:
Good additional historical info! 
"Pee-Es-En-Jay" was another die-hard YELLOW customer; back in the 30s and into the 40s, the fleet was totally YELLOW, save for one "oddball" MACK (an "ASV")
The steadfast loyalty that the company showed YELLOW was later transferred to "Gee-Em" by late in the War; hundreds of new "Gee-Em"-built buses were added to the massive PS fleet through the 50s and 60s, and into the TNJ era.
The "Gee-Em" dominance came to an end in the later 1970s, when nearly 900 new NJDOT "Dangerfields" began arriving.........
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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| NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | W.B.:
Good additional historical info!
"Pee-Es-En-Jay" was another die-hard YELLOW customer; back in the 30s and into the 40s, the fleet was totally YELLOW, save for one "oddball" MACK (an "ASV")
The steadfast loyalty that the company showed YELLOW was later transferred to "Gee-Em" by late in the War; hundreds of new "Gee-Em"-built buses were added to the massive PS fleet through the 50s and 60s, and into the TNJ era.
The "Gee-Em" dominance came to an end in the later 1970s, when nearly 900 new NJDOT "Dangerfields" began arriving.........
'NYO"
["PUBLIC SERVICE COORDINATED TRANSPORT"] |
The reason for the shift from Yellow to "Gee-Em" is simple: after 1943, Yellow, as far as bus manufacturers went, had become "Gee-Em." |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Tue Oct 14, 2025 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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W.B.:
Yeah, talk about a "smooth transition", for "soitan"
DE CAMP was also a company that purchased a lare number of YELLOWS, especially through the 1930s; however, they also purchased a number of (front-engine) WHITES.............
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2025 8:24 am Post subject: |
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Further on "Noo Yawk" bus history........
IMHO, a long-neglected area of "Noo Yawk" bus history involves the oft-forgotten men who not only DROVE the buses, but, also, REPAIRED them, PAINTED them, CLEANED them, DISPATCHED then, etc.
We know that, out there somewhere, there are both historic photos and documentation regarding this area.
Locker areas, driver's lounges, dispatcher areas, etc; also, there should be coverage of the roll sign shops, paint shops, etc.
Just my own 2 1/2 cents worth.........
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W.B. Fishbowl
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2025 1:55 pm Post subject: |
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| NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629 wrote: | Further on "Noo Yawk" bus history........
IMHO, a long-neglected area of "Noo Yawk" bus history involves the oft-forgotten men who not only DROVE the buses, but, also, REPAIRED them, PAINTED them, CLEANED them, DISPATCHED then, etc.
We know that, out there somewhere, there are both historic photos and documentation regarding this area.
Locker areas, driver's lounges, dispatcher areas, etc; also, there should be coverage of the roll sign shops, paint shops, etc.
Just my own 2 1/2 cents worth.........
"NYO"
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In short, the depots that housed those buses.
I remember reading and hearing that bus maintenance personnel in the depots preferred the rear window 4-piece layout for both Fishbowls and "Dangerfields," as they were easier to maintain and cheaper to replace than the 3-piece lot - which was why all new buses starting with the 1965 orders ("Dangerfields" 5601-5765 for the "Tee-Yay," Fishbowls 6401-6900 for " 'stoa") came from the factory with 4-piece at the back from the start.
"Boigan" Street might've painted some of those roll signs on the buses, mostly the "Kramdens" but also on some Fishbowls up to 1965. But for the most part, the roll sign making was left up to companies like Hunter Illuminated Sign, then in the "mylar" era Transign and Translite. There should definitely be a section on those entities. |
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NEW YORK OMNIBUS 2629
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| Posted: Tue Oct 21, 2025 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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W.B.:
Appreciate the info; this is EXACTLY what i would like to see in a book (books) dedicated to "Noo Yawk" buses and bus operations, especially during the "Tee-Tay" era.............
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